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@ 2010-11-10 04:26 am UTC
Entry tags:angry for a reason, disability, disability: disabled people don't exist
Crossposts:http://troubleinchina.livejournal.com/590185.html
(This post had a different title, but I have changed it.)

via [personal profile] lauredhel

Livery Drivers Protest Wheelchair Service Requirements (In New York) (There's a video at the link but it's basically the text in video form.)

"It's really unfair that Taxi and Limousine Commission and the commissioner would be punishing us by fining us thousands of dollars for not being able to respond to someone on a wheelchair within three minutes like we would with a regular person," Mateo said.

"We've seen cutbacks in Access-a-Ride and now we're being told we can't access the Livery system. We're being held hostage here," said Brooklyn Independence Center For The Disabled Executive Director Marvin Wasserman.


also:
"We are suspending all service to the wheelchair community," said New York State Federation of Taxi Drivers President Fernando Mateo.


[Oh, someone - damn, I can't remember who - used to do a blog series called "the chair or the man" or something, which pointed out all the time people who are wheelchair users are referred to instead as "wheelchairs" instead of "people". Headlines like "wheelchair denied access to bus services", because the wheelchair apparently wanted to go someplace. It's a fascinating little trick of language.]

The sad thing is not that people get up in the morning and think "I know, I'm going to go down and protest the horrors of being asked to carry a cripple in my taxi", it's that this really isn't that abnormal. So much fucking hate for people with disabilities.

Now, I did some searching, being that US laws and stuff confuse me. This story at ABC Local says the protest is actually that they can't make all 40,000 sedans wheelchair accessible. Which, yes, I guess that would be hard if this was the first time you'd heard of it, but the law requiring these taxis to be wheelchair accessible and treat people who use wheelchairs the same as *cough* "regular people" has been on the books since 2001 (this is not the ADA, btw). It's now 2010, and the end of it at that, so I'm a bit unsympathetic to the "We didn't bother to follow the law until now! Please don't make us follow the law, it's difficult!" argument.

(You know who else made this argument? Clint Eastwood, in why it was horrible that he was sued about his hotel not being wheelchair accessible 10 years after the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA) was passed into law.)

The ADA doesn't have an enforcement agency. There is no accessibility inspector going around and fining people for not following the law. (The law they're protesting? I bet it only gets enforced when PWD complain.) The only way the law gets enforced is through people with disabilities suing people, who then get all wide-eyed and say "Oh, but... I totally would have followed the law if only I had known this 20 year old controversial law that's mentioned every year and protested by Fox News all the time was on the books! Woe is me, woe! How can I be expected at this late date to actually follow the law!"

There's a whole subset of people who like to talk about how laws requiring accessibility legislates kindness or something - it's again back to the idea that accessibility is a favour that the non-disabled are doing for the poor, pathetic cripples. But if we didn't have to legislate accessibility, then why are so many places that don't have legislation that require accessibility not actually accessible? Halifax has a huge disability community, we have a hospital dedicated to accessibility - the rehab center, strangely enough. If either kindness or market forces or both were to create accessibility out of thin air, Halifax would be the place it would spontaneously generate. And yet, there are two (2) wheelchair accessible taxi cabs in the city, and I have ranted about this before.

It is disgusting that we have to legislate the idea that people with disabilities should have access to just as much as *cough* "regular" people do. Accessibility is something that is valuable because people with disabilities are also valuable. And yet, whenever we finally convince lawmakers to go ahead and pass something, there's always a huge group of people going "woe, my life will become wretched if I have to let cripples into my shop. I may have to put a ramp out or something."

Look, I do feel for people who will end up struggling to put that ramp out in front of their thrice-damned yarn shop. Accessibility is valuable, and thus I do think that some of those taxes that I - and every other person with disabilities in Canada - pay[1] should end up going to support small business owners in getting grants specifically aimed at making their businesses as accessible as possible. Because accessibility is valuable, because people with disabilities are valuable, because people are valuable.

I can't believe this is stuff we still fight for.

[1. By which I mean sales taxes. Income taxes are different. GST rebates only go up so high, and they're guestimates based on reported income, not reported expenditures.]


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jackandahat: (Knitting Addict)


[personal profile] jackandahat
2010-11-10 08:31 am UTC (link)
The "legislating kindness" thing pisses me off. I'm not saying "You must hold the door open for me", I'm saying, make a door I can open myself. Then I won't have to rely on kindness to do the same things as everyone else.

If you want to hold the door open for me that's fine - and when we come back, I'll hold it for you. Just don't fill your "Oh, we have a lift, we're accessible!" building with doors too heavy for me to open when having a bad day.

(Uh... OK, at some point that might have turned into a rant on my disability adviser at the job centre. But I feel the door point is a good one!)

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[personal profile] trouble
2010-11-10 08:36 am UTC (link)
The door point is a good one. It's a big fucking deal that people get all "But, we're HELPING!" over.

There isn't a single internal door in the arts building in my university that has an automatic door opener, and yet a) the doors are heavy as fuck and b) they're required to be closed because they're fire doors. Don can't get around without someone to open the damn things for him. YAY ACCESSIBILITY! GO YOU!

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jackandahat: (Knitting Addict)


[personal profile] jackandahat
2010-11-10 08:41 am UTC (link)
Yeah - my disability adviser was up a flight of stairs (there was a lift. You needed a staff pass to make it work - so if I wanted to use it, I had to go find someone, wait in line, and be escorted up) and behind two heavy doors.

I have a real hatred for heavy doors. Because most people don't notice unless they're carrying a bunch of shopping. Or they assume it's only an issue for someone using a wheelchair. (Which would be bad enough, but being told you're not disabled enough to be having the problem you're having...) And dammit, it's embarrassing to have to struggle with a door, it's like being a little kid again.

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staranise: A star anise floating in a cup of mint tea ([personal] Star anise)


[personal profile] staranise
2010-11-10 07:10 pm UTC (link)
Ugh, I'm reminded of the argument the US Mint made when they were asked to make bills blind people could differentiate between--that a blind person always has the option of giving the money to the clerk or another person and saying, "Could you count this out for me?"

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[personal profile] trouble
2010-11-10 07:14 pm UTC (link)
......

Oh, yes, that works fine. Which is why the US Mint hands their money to random strangers and asks them to count all the time.

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jackandahat: (Knitting Addict)


[personal profile] jackandahat
2010-11-10 07:27 pm UTC (link)
Yeah - when I tell the job centre they're being inaccessible because they won't give me an alternative option to "call them", they say "can't you get a friend to do it?" Well... I guess I could. But why is it reasonable for you to inist I tell someone else everything from my health issues to the exact amount currently in my bank account?

They just don't want us independent.

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lauredhel: two cats sleeping nose to tail, making a perfect circle. (catcircle)


[personal profile] lauredhel
2010-11-10 08:49 am UTC (link)
Now I want to see a whole webcomic detailing the fun, games and adventures in a "wheelchair community". You know, one with little cyborg wheelchairs that get up to hijinks.

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[personal profile] trouble
2010-11-10 08:50 am UTC (link)
I bet capriuni could make a good one.

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capriuni: Text: "I know where my towel is, But I can't find anything else." (Art!)


[personal profile] capriuni
2010-11-10 09:14 am UTC (link)
I like the idea... But I've tried to write scripts several times (and comics are run on scripts), and I have crashed on my nose every time... I'm also pretty good at drawing one-offs of faces and things, but I can't draw the same face twice in a row, or from the side and front, and so on...

(Thanks for the compliment, though) ;-)

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[personal profile] sqbr
2010-11-10 09:49 am UTC (link)
But wheelchairs don't have faces, so you should be fine!

(Just kidding, I share your pain. When I used to write a webcomic I relied a lot on cut and paste :))

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[personal profile] capriuni
2010-11-10 09:52 am UTC (link)
Yes, and I said faces and "things" ;-)

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[personal profile] sqbr
2010-11-12 03:12 am UTC (link)
So you did! *thinks: she could do a comic with no things in it!* *realises that would just be text*

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[personal profile] amadi
2010-11-10 09:10 am UTC (link)
I've been looking for an idea for a web comic, since I realized that my computer shipped with comic strip software. Hmmmmmm.

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[personal profile] amadi
2010-11-10 09:53 am UTC (link)
Honestly, WTF? The taxi companies should been spending the last nine years replacing those ubiquitous and yes, inaccessible sedans (or at least a significant portion of the 40,000 of them) with minivans and making sure that they all had working ramps. They should've been working with the relevant commission for appropriate time guidelines, because 3 minutes may not be enough time to expedite an accessible vehicle to a location, when the initially hailed taxi isn't suitable, especially in the outer boros. For nine years they've sat on their laurels. They can get fucked.

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[personal profile] trouble
2010-11-10 07:08 pm UTC (link)
I just don't understand. Why do people want me to feel bad that they ignored the law for 9 years and only now are getting fines? I feel bad that they haven't been getting fined earlier so this would already be dealt with.

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[personal profile] amadi
2010-11-10 08:12 pm UTC (link)
Because we are through the looking glass and all of us horrible PWDs are now the oppressors.

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[personal profile] kerrypolka
2010-11-10 10:14 am UTC (link)
"someone on a wheelchair within three minutes like we would with a regular person," Mateo said.

DO YOU EVEN LISTEN TO YOURSELF OH MY GOD.

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[personal profile] sparkymonster
2010-11-10 02:43 pm UTC (link)
I KNOW!

If you just pay attention you can see how you are being AWFUL!

Also, OMGWTF

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[personal profile] trouble
2010-11-10 07:05 pm UTC (link)
I just don't even know what to say to these people any more. Who gets up in the morning and doesn't at least think "Hmmm... This isn't going to play out well in the press."

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[personal profile] trouble
2010-11-10 07:07 pm UTC (link)
It's so interesting watch the video because he keeps fumbling for the words he wants to use. :(

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[personal profile] deird1
2010-11-10 10:44 am UTC (link)
*sighs*



On a slightly nicer note, my work today was typing up a big document informing our city's train companies that, yes, they do have to make all their footbridges disability-accessible, no, they don't get to say it's too hard, and yes, we will close down inaccessible bridges and fine them for every one.

Some parts of the world get it right, occasionally...

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[personal profile] trouble
2010-11-10 07:04 pm UTC (link)
YAY! Oh, that pleases me.

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[personal profile] deird1
2010-11-10 07:07 pm UTC (link)
I think it helps that one of the main people working on accessibility in the department is disabled: if we got this wrong, my boss would have to answer to a very pissed off guy in a wheelchair who works a few desks away. :)

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[personal profile] trouble
2010-11-10 07:09 pm UTC (link)
That's the thing, yeah. Like, our accessibility office on campus has no people with evident disabilities working in it, and the people I talk to with evident disabilities are are "They don't understand X about wheelchairs or Y about people who are blind". Of course they don't - it's all academic to them.

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[personal profile] staticnonsense
2010-11-10 04:14 pm UTC (link)
How perfect that I just moved away from New York. That state is horrible for accessibility. The grocery stores are too cramped, many of them only have one chair accessible checkout lane (be it wheelchair, power chair, or their own motorized carts), and one of the county clerk offices I went to? Gorgeous architecture, right? Historical. Steps at the front door. Want to know where the accessible entrance is?

Down an alley and toward the back of the building. An alley. In a New York city. Luckily it wasn't NYC specifically but still. God damn.

So I wish I could say I was surprised to hear such a thing coming from that state.

But I'm not.

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[personal profile] trouble
2010-11-10 07:02 pm UTC (link)
I really hate how accessible entrances are always round the back. It's like... they don't want to ruin their pretty pretty stairs.

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staticnonsense: (Ke ke ke ke!)


[personal profile] staticnonsense
2010-11-10 07:04 pm UTC (link)
Yeah I remember saying something along the lines of "Thanks (insert city here), way to make me feel like such a valued citizen."

We must always remember that pretty, pretty stairs are much more important than people.

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[personal profile] kiriamaya
2010-11-10 06:04 pm UTC (link)
WHAT THE FRELLING FRAKKING FUCK.

That's... all I can say right now.

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[personal profile] trouble
2010-11-10 07:01 pm UTC (link)
The thing that really gets me is that this is just how things are.

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staranise: A star anise floating in a cup of mint tea ([personal] Star anise)


[personal profile] staranise
2010-11-10 06:59 pm UTC (link)
*winces at your title*

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[personal profile] trouble
2010-11-10 07:01 pm UTC (link)
You should have seen the three posts I deleted. :(

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[personal profile] staranise
2010-11-10 07:02 pm UTC (link)
I want to comment, but, um, my brain keeps taking that literally and now i have half-dismembered bodies in my mind. Which, I'm on drugs so it's not really vivid but it makes it hard to think about taxis.

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[personal profile] trouble
2010-11-10 07:04 pm UTC (link)
Oh no! Oh, gosh, I'm so sorry! Would it help if I changed the title? Or I could tell you where the reference is from? I'm so sorry!

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staranise: A star anise floating in a cup of mint tea ([personal] Star anise)


[personal profile] staranise
2010-11-10 07:05 pm UTC (link)
Changing the title would be great, thanks. :)

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[personal profile] trouble
2010-11-10 07:06 pm UTC (link)
I am so sorry! I have changed it. <3 I will remember.

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[personal profile] staranise
2010-11-10 07:13 pm UTC (link)
<3 Thank you. That, and similar sayings with cheesegraters, all run afoul of my brain. Normally I just scroll on by (or adblock the icon) but I want to comment on your posts! :)

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[personal profile] trouble
2010-11-10 07:18 pm UTC (link)
♥ Thank you for letting me know. It was very thoughtless of me because you've discussed this before.

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[personal profile] silveradept
2010-11-10 08:09 pm UTC (link)
Always infuriating that the first response of "Why haven't you done this when we said you had to?" is "We don't want to. And since you're pushing us, now we won't do it at all, so there."

Suspending service like that should have warranted an extra fine and an acceleration of any schedule that would get worked out, from "immediate change" to "done yesterday change."

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[personal profile] callie
2010-11-10 08:30 pm UTC (link)
In both my day job and the small business I have a role in, we have to change things to keep up with legislation and policy changes all the time. Things like tax changes can take a surprising amount of work and expense. Sometimes we grumble. But mostly we get on with them, because we don't live in a static world. We don't sulk and protest (especially when the changes are clearly a good thing) and we don't generally get nine fucking years either.

Having to change things because of some government number crunching? Part of running a business. Having to change things to accomodate your customers in a customer focused business? Clearly unreasonable *headdesk*.

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[personal profile] ysabetwordsmith
2010-11-11 08:02 am UTC (link)
The tone was certainly objectionable. I'd check to see whether there's a practical reason behind the lack of service, or if they're just being snotty for no grounds whatsoever. Sometimes people can't afford the cost of adaptive equipment.

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[personal profile] trouble
2010-11-11 02:01 pm UTC (link)
Over the course of 9 years? I mean, if this was "You have until December to get this sorted, and yes, today is the first day you've heard of it", that's one thing, but this legal requirement to be accessible and to carry people with wheelchairs with the same level of service as people without wheelchairs came in in 2001.

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