Yeah, it's, it's rarely people will *say it that openly* but you notice this general line of thought behind a lot of people's attitudes. A lot of times the difference is that people hide it behind nice language. And when you look at stuff like people's attitudes towards abortion of believed nondisabled fetuses vs. abortion of disabled fetuses the difference is *stark*.

You know, thinking about how many of us were out there fightin' the good fight on the Feministe thread,I wish that next time this happens (because there WILL be a next time) we could send an e-mail/PM round and have everyone just ignore the apologist/ableist/racist/classist/etc. folk and have an actually interesting discussion about this stuff in the vein of "if you ignore us then, well...". Sadly everyone would still have to wade through the horrible comments and people would probably take us not addressing their remarks as "omg I win!" It's just so frustrating to think that if you'd taken several commentators whose names I shall not name out of the conversation we might have actually been able to HAVE ONE.